I actually originally planned on putting this site together simply because of the ability for friends of friends to see your full name and online status. The recent forum name thing is just what kicked my ass into actually doing it. Thus, this site will be staying put for now and will occasionally be updated until there is some sort of real id privacy control.
The ONLY thing I'm asking for is a simple checkbox for "share my full name with friends of friends". Maybe an option for "Hide my online status" so you can log on a game without all of your friends seeing you. I don't see why I should have far LESS privacy in an online video game (that shouldn't even be connected to my real life) than I do in real life. The issues are still very real, and Blizzard is eliminating entire classes of people from a soon-to-be-major component of the game.
By the way, that is something that should take extremely minimal developer time. The only reason it's not that way is because, like the forum name debacle, Blizzard is intentionally trying to push something for some unknown reason.
Better to keep this site up since that letter from Mike Morhaime smells like the usual PR BS.
ReplyDelete"at this time" says it all.
They might have caved in on the forums but the issues are still there and unless you and others keep up the pressure the real ID crap will still permeate slowly until it is Facebook lite, with all the privacy invasion thereof.
ReplyDeleteI only hope that the community will take this as their wake up call and keep up the pressure and not just say "Thanks for not screwing up my life this time, oh you can get a free mount if you have 1000 friends,cool" while the game heads towards Farmville.
Anon, you suck at English.
ReplyDelete"at this time we have decided to cancel these plans"
is qualitatively different from
"we have decided to cancel these plans at this time".
Please take the personal information of Blizz employees down. Leave Kotick if you so choose, but in-game Real ID is a different issue, and doesn't fit this form of protest.
You just look like a malicious troll if you keep your protest up like this.
Yes, you "won" by pestering Blizzard employees in order to make a point, thereby placing yourself in the same group of people you're afraid of perverting real id. It's obviously just an excuse to yourself so you can justify doing this.
ReplyDeleteYou must truly be ignorant to believe these posts are anything but threats, you must be even more ignorant to think you are achieving anything by doing this. All of the posts are written in an arrogant manner, smugly pointing out personal details (their kids? really?) only to feed like-minded trolls. I'm sure you had fun playing e-thug with your 4chan-friends, just don't think you achieved anything by doing this.
I'm not for Real ID, but really; shame on you.
I think this site did a good job making its point, but since Blizz has caved I agree with the poster above that the employee personal data should be removed.
ReplyDeleteIt's a little unfair that they got caught in the middle of this - most of the people targeted here likely had no role in deciding to make this change in the first place and, from what I've read, there was a lot of internal disagreement about the policy within Blizz.
We are asking you to take down all the personal employee information you posted.
ReplyDeleteAt the very least take down the exposed employees
ReplyDeleteThis blog has served it's purpose. Take it down.
ReplyDeleteWell, quite some voices for taking this down. I agree. Leave their friends names up, though ;-)
ReplyDeleteClearly nothing was stopping you (or anyone else) from gathering all of this personal data before Real ID... all of this info you've posted here is already available without Real ID. The "scary people" who want this data can find it with or without a Real ID. And you could do this for just about ANYONE playing or working on World of Warcraft.
ReplyDeleteSo... How do you suggest that Real ID would have changed this at all? How is it a REAL threat, as opposed to the theoretical threat you've made it out to be?
Because all I see right now is a lot of pointless bluster and bullshit.
When you take a volatile situation and give them something to point at, you create danger. You have said... here are three people who had NOTHING to do with realID, and I am going to share their personal information encouraging them to be harassed. This would not have happened had you not posted it and you know it. People have been hurt. Are you happy? You made your point and some really shitty stuff has happened as a result. Not to someone who rage-quit your raid. Not to someone who is in your guild and ninjad you loot. Not to someone who is on your blacklist who you have been stalking. To someone who never did anything to you - or anyone for that matter.
ReplyDeleteNow please take it down.
This site served a purpose, and the resolution is at least in part because of this site.
ReplyDeleteThe real question is why people who would be for this Real ID and yet wish that information be pulled down?
Wasn't the entire argument that only those with something to hide should have any interest in privacy?
Wasn't it?
This site should remain as it is, as a warning to other companies that attempt to impose such a Orwellian scheme.
Blizzard was so full of a sense of their own superiority that none of them thought a wit about what their wives would think about the actions they were taking or how they would be effected personally.
Hubris.
It's ok on the EU WoW forums they are now locking and banning anyone who makes a thread about either RealID or the we'll put that on the shelf for later announcement.
ReplyDeleteWay to protect free speech!
I've been saying from the off with this RealID thing give an option to turn off FoF.
They say "use it with people you trust", ok fine accepted, I trust them it's thier friends I don't trust. Just because we know the same person doesn't mean we know or want to know each other.
It's like saying all my friends in London know all my friends in Canada and vice-versa as I seriously doubt it
"This site served a purpose, and the resolution is at least in part because of this site."
ReplyDeleteWhat the fuck makes you think that? This site served no other purpose than to humor the creator. If this website had any part of it, it has definitely gone about doing it the wrong way. If you look at the forums, people have done a much better job at explaining why this is wrong (without bothering innocent people's privacy).
Why do people consider Blizzard as hivemind? Does it not strike you that most of these are employees that might agree with you on Real ID? Most of the people just want to make/work with games, not waste their time on this.
How is looking up someone on facebook bothering innocent peoples privacy if forcing Real ID on 11 million people is ok?
ReplyDeleteYour entire viewpoint is a contradiction of itself. If you do not realize this I am sorry.
This is the Internet. It has rules. Blizzard broke those rules. They should know better. Things like this happen when you break the rules of the Internet.
You think this site was so horrid, what world do you live in honestly? Everything that happened would have only gotten worse if Blizzard had not changed course.
They were so sure of themselves but didn't even THINK ONCE about family/friends and the effects it would have on them. They were so egotistical as to be disgusting.
And you sir, the fact that your 3rd word is profanity makes most everything you said after-word meaningless as well.
"This is the Internet. It has rules. Blizzard broke those rules. They should know better. Things like this happen when you break the rules of the Internet."
ReplyDeleteRules? What rules? Since when is common decency a rule? Whose version of common decency gets to be used as the basis for those rules? I'm all for common decency, but the idea that you are *entitled* to use a third-party service in any way you see fit is simply flawed. If you don't like a policy, feel free to speak out about it and boycott the related products and services. Vote with your wallet, and use the power of the Internet to get your message out. This site went, and continues to go, well beyond what I would consider an appropriate response to Blizzard's Real ID policies, regardless of what I may have thought about them (FYI: I hated them).
So tell me, what rules of the Internet were broken by the individual Blizzard employees whose personal information was posted? The only person you can reasonably assume had *any* influence in the decision was Kotick. As the CEO, he is ultimately responsible for any policies instituted by his subordinates. And what of the employees' wives and family members? What rules did they break to warrant having their personal information and contact information posted here?
The entire premise of this site is based on "guilt by association" and a woefully ignorant sense of justice.
What you're doing is shameful. You're not some super hero. You're some dumbfuck kid who learned a way to passive-aggressively threaten employees until you get your way. You aren't a crusader. You're a crying baby.
ReplyDeleteYou should be ashamed. If you think YOU caused them to change the policy in any way then you're sorely mistaken. By definition what you're doing here is terrorism. I don't know how you sleep at night.
"Your entire viewpoint is a contradiction of itself. If you do not realize this I am sorry."
ReplyDeleteAre you intentionally being dense right now? I need to know so I know whether I should point out your fallacies or not. Let me slowly explain to you why your comparison is laughable.
There's a slight difference between "looking someone up on facebook" and intentionally spreading information for the purpose of threats and terror in order to make a point.
There's no "internet rules", the fact that you're proposing such a thing makes me cringe. Where you would get that idea makes your comment about my "profanity" pretty ironic.
Keep it up and leave the info up
ReplyDeleteDon't listen to the others. You had the balls to do what we wished we couldve done. They are probably just blizzard employees.
ReplyDeleteThis is fucking disgraceful. They backed down on RealID so now that you don't have any real agenda to fight for, you're making it about your own petty little issues.
ReplyDeleteTake the info down.
Karma is a bitch. The owner of this site will get his soon enough. Trust me.
ReplyDeleteI highly recommend shutting this blog down. I will not bother trying to persuade you that your methods are flawed and morally dubious. Instead, consider this:
ReplyDeleteApproximately 20 minutes of careful, creative probing provided me with enough data that, while seemingly innocuous in itself, was all I needed to deduce your identity. Using the same methods you used to mine the personal information of Blizzard employees and their families, I could doubtlessly uncover quite a bit about you. I would of course be free to post that information publicly, as you did.
However, I have no intention of doing this; my ethical standards are thankfully not so inept as yours. Still, I suspect it is only a matter of time before some other Internet vigilante decides to best you at your own game. Be happy with Blizzard's decision, and please, continue your fight for privacy in gaming. But next time, do it the right way.
to Anonymous @ 7/9/10 2:27:
ReplyDeleteThere's no such thing as "karma." Save that for Chinese audiences. kthx.
To Anonymous at 9 July 2010, 14:53:
ReplyDeleteKarma is an Indian religious concept (not Chinese). If you want to succeed at being a smart-ass, you should at least try to be accurate. Otherwise you just sound like a dumb-shit teenager.
Some people need to look up the words "Terrorism" and "Ironic".
ReplyDeleteAs said in Princess Bride, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
You seem to think terrorism only applies to violence. This isn't the case. I think you would agree that what's being done here is a scare tactic, an attempt to intimidate and coerce. By DEFINITION, that's terrorism. Intended to instill fear with disregard to innocents or non-combatants. Guess what? None of these people that he's putting on display have anything at all to do with RealID, which I agree was a bad idea.
ReplyDeleteYou can quote overrated 80's movies all you want, it doesn't make you any smarter.
"I don't see why I should have far LESS privacy in an online video game (that shouldn't even be connected to my real life) than I do in real life."
ReplyDeleteBecause it's their service, their rules. It's really not too dissimilar to the rules you set for your house guests.
When you make your videogame, you can have it be as private as you want it.
So yeah..... got permabanned for even mentioning a site like this existed. Makes me kind of sad.
ReplyDeleteThey open the door to their own destruction. All it takes is one dead or raped kid and it's over for Blizzard. Even if the event didn't trigger by Blizzard, everybody will lay the blame on them including the lawyers and media.
ReplyDeleteLook what happen to myspace. Countless lawsuits everywhere. For first to second overnight.
They should have check with their lawyers first to you know if the idea was legally and financially safe.
Can't wait to see Blizzard CEO in front of Congress.
Quote:
ReplyDelete"Because it's their service, their rules. It's really not too dissimilar to the rules you set for your house guests."
A. Guests are something *entirely* different than Customers. I call BULLSHIT on the comparison.
B. Noone has to put up with unilateral *changing* of the rules after the contract has been signed.
Especially not when the modus operandi of this unilateral changing of the rules bears close similarities
to a *blackmail* situation.
C. Exactly that. If *this* is Terrorism... *then* what Blizzard tried WAS Blackmail.
"Some people need to look up the words "Terrorism" and "Ironic"."
ReplyDeleteI'll take the liberty of educating you.
Terror is using fear to coerce (act of compelling by force). This site, and its posts, is deliberately attempting to scare Blizzard employees by publishing their private information.
As for ironic? It's ironic because the comment-author derives from a community which basically consists of unfiltered, raw content (profanity, discrimination and harassment). I'd suggest you think through next time rather than doing a diffuse attempt at discrediting before you understand the content.
B: Yes, you do. As a customer, you definitely do have to put up with it. Don't like it? Then don't buy/use the product. The TOS makes it extremely clear that they may change the TOS at any time they see fit, the one you probably agreed to but didn't care to read.
ReplyDeleteC: great reasoning there, i'm not even going to reply to that one.
Not one of posts mention the fact that Real ID has a bug that already gives out your information if you have certain mod's active. Because it's already installed on every WOW players computer.
ReplyDeleteWOW.com has a detailed description of how you can get around the bug. So stop talking like this is something that almost happened.
It already happened. If you play WOW and you use MOD's and you don't know about this, then alot of people might be able to see your real name right now.
http://www.wow.com/2010/07/08/customizing-and-opting-out-of-real-id/
"at this time" isn't absolute, which is how Blizzard has always had it. They don't generally make absolute points because things -can- change and -have- changed over the years.
ReplyDeleteAs for this blogs author removing the exposed people? Pfft, as if, I say keep them up. You want to know -why-? No? Too bad, I'll tell you anyway.
It proves a point. The moment he removes them, then that point is removed, he's given up. If these people think so highly of privacy then perhaps they should do better to hide themselves? I know I don't, but I don't really mind if someone finds out a little about me.
I'm glad they released this "PR BS", in the very least it shows they're reading crap (even skimming over it). I'd rather them hold out on doing it than have them do it anyway. I would rather not have someone die before they decide it's a bad idea.
The simple fact of the matter is that this -is- a goddamn video game, and my -personal- information should -not- be plastered all over the fucking thing. How about you take a brief gander over this gem.
http://investor.activision.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=466721
Oh yes, that says -exactly- what you think it does! "Battle.net(R) and Facebook Integration Announced".
I don't fuckin' think so! Battle.net is a goddamn -video game service-, it's is -not- Facebook, MySpace or any other social networking service. Yes, I use Facebook, but I can control my privacy settings on that. The fact I cannot on Battle.net and probably never will be able to is fucking retarded.
There is a thin line between what is virtual and what is reality. WoW is a video game, and things in that game should be kept within that game. I should not have to give every little tosser in the game personal details, and Blizzard can piss off if they think I will (oh yes, I -am- pissed off about this bullshit).
That line was once blurred. Now it's been crossed.
I absolutely love the thinly veiled threats from anonymous people who are supposedly pro-RealID. Its the entire fucking point of this thing!
ReplyDelete1. people take the internet WAY too seriously
2. personal info should be hard to get because of that
People get worked up over nothing on the internet. Having your public information so easily attainable is retarded.
You think you're pissed off this blog? You should youtube some of the vent videos of motherfuckers cracking it big time. You don't think in 11million people at least a few of them won't be some sort of sociopath?
This needs to be up. Friends of friends is still an issue. And we need a reminder on the net how stupid companies can be with our privacy.
"A. Guests are something *entirely* different than Customers. I call BULLSHIT on the comparison."
ReplyDeleteWell, then you're dumb. Not my problem.
I had originally requested a cancellation of my SC2 pre-order because of the "Real ID" fiasco, and since they have reversed their stance, I will keep the pre-order as is.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I would like to humbly request that the author of this site remove the information related to Blizzard employees, since the most egregious disclosure of personal information has been resolved.
Hey Dave, I'm outside your house.
ReplyDeleteAt the very least, please take down the details of Jennifer, Lee and Kacy. These guys just happen to work for Blizzard and didn't ask for any of this, I highly doubt had anything to do with any decision making and most importantly I'm sure have little to no influence toward changing things.
ReplyDeleteI think this site probably did have a part influence on the outcome. Go after the execs with actual power if you must, but leave the little guys alone.
I'd like to agree with Anonymous on this one.
ReplyDeleteThis was about Money. All about money.
ReplyDeleteFunny, last time I checked, my guest didn't pay me money for inviting them. Comparison still BULLSHIT.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, treating your customers as if you own them and as if they have to deal with every pathological management thought leaves you... with less customers.
No Blizzard games for me. No Activision games for me, as long as I have to announce to every freaky fuck out there who I am, when I just wanted to play a videogame for my leisure. While they play it as a prolongation of their own self.
Take this down. It's disgusting posting family members of employees. They had nothing to do with this and it's insulting. Most of these people didn't make these decisions. You're abusive just by doing this.
ReplyDeleteKeep up the good work and keep up all the info here as a reminder for when they try this again in a couple months. I can see ActiBlizzard requiring the "optional" RealID feature for new quests, gear, crafting skills, skill trees, and lovely microtransactions.
ReplyDelete"Friend of friend"? Jesus Christ.
I agree with the people saying keep this here as a reminder of the issues prevalent with RealID and the general lack of security on the internet.
ReplyDeleteIf someone says they're going to kick you square in the nuts, you start wearing a cup. If they later say sorry and explain how they didn't really mean it, would you immediately remove the cup and assume it'll never happen? Or think maybe - just maybe - they might be waiting till you forget all about the situation to try again?
The fact remains, their statement on having "big plans" for RealID still stands. So the forums incursion didn't work. It's not over, it's a case of What's Next?
Also... When the issue is up in the air, most people wanted to stick it to the company, prove their direction was wrong. Direction/decision retracted, so it no longer matters? Take all the information and complaints away? Grow some opinions that last more than 5 minutes please, and then maybe society will take you seriously.
$14.95 x 11,000,000 = $164,450,000 they make a month if you believe Blizzards figures on membership.
ReplyDeleteThats $1,973,400,000 every 12 months. Add in the $ gained from the sale of games in stores, digital items, character xfers, class changes and you have tons more.
They intended to publicly release the real names, first and last of every customer. Two things considered to be one of the most important to keep at least somewhat unavailable on the internet according EVEN TO BLIZZARD THEMSELVES!
Blizzard didn't do this to help anyone but themselves, they did it to make MORE MONEY. Does Blizzard need more money???
They lied about their intentions, the Real ID is not gone, they still plan to include it with StarCraft 2, and probably Diablo 3.
You try to screw over 11 million people so you can make more money for your money garden and i'm supposed to have sympathy? Please.
Keep the site up.
I think they'll lose more money than they'll gain if said changes are implemented, judging by the opinions garnered on the forums.
ReplyDeletehttp://esc-hatch.blogspot.com/2010/07/who-is-activisionblizzards-customer.html
ReplyDeleteNo... Using fear to coerce or intimidate is called... wait for it...
ReplyDeleteIntimidation
Only modern jingoism and a ten year war on words has made Intimidation and Terrorism equivalent pseudo-legal concepts.
Leave everything up.
ReplyDeleteThis thread is a part of history now, and one day when another company tries similar - we'll reference it back again to show what happened.
Innocent people got caught in this. thats not fair, but life isnt fair. These people will serve to remind others in future: innocent people can get caught up when companies go bad. Lets not delete it and pretend nothing ever happened.
A little innocent blood was spilt, but sometimes thats the price the masses need to pay to make evil companies see the light of day.
Their reasons for doing this are not unknown. They want to merge with facebook in some areas and have an agreement with facebook to do so.
ReplyDeleteWhat they basically want to do if you "opt in" to RealID is to pull your friends from your facebook page and populate your realID friends in WoW. So that way, when you're in a raid, a co-worker who knows nothing of your WoW activities will write you, get no response, and think you're a douchebag for ignoring him.
The other thing it is going to do is advertising. When you go to your facebook page, ever notice how there are adverts based on the hobbies and interests you put in your profile? Well, those will now be in-game according to one site. So maybe there will be billboards now on a flight path? who knows.
It stinks all the way around though.
No reason to take the blog down; this represents a serious chapter in WoW history and I am anti-revisionist. However, I do think you should stop posting in it as of now. We won! Let's celebrate!
ReplyDeleteSeriously, how worked up blizz got over a blog with just a few posts is AMAZING. Banning the word from their forums and making a complete 180 on a financial decision... wow! It reaffirms my faith that the little guy can still come out on top sometimes :)
Keep it all up, friend of friend is bs.
ReplyDeleteWe didn't 'win'.
ReplyDeleteFriends of friends is equally stupid now as it was before.
And why do you need to use the 'optional' cross-realm ID, if you wish to have cross-realm chat? Last I checked, Steam already offered this, and you don't need to use a full real name.
Keep the blog up please.
Take it down, it was funny at first but now is just abusive. Sure RealID on the forums was just as bad but they caved. We won.
ReplyDeleteLike others have said, it's just wrong especially since some of these guys most likely have no say in what was decided. All you are doing now is making this information accessible to everyone, even those who may not be clever enough to get it themselves.
Take it down "at this time" ;) back it up locally and be ready to use it if they decide later once we are all too busy playing cata to unleash RealID on the forums.
I have real mixed feelings.
ReplyDeleteBlizzard employees whether or not they make the decision, are true representatives of the company and therefore, party to its decisions.
While some Blizzard employees made easy targets to prove the point, they may not have been able to change the Real ID issue. But, having the pressure put on them as individuals showed their bosses who might be able to make a decision, just how horrible the idea was. For this reason alone, this site should stay and grow (for the Board and executives).
I know some employees and fanboies have posed here, afraid to use their real name of course, asking to have things removed. They should not be removed to simply stand as a reminder what the internet can make someone feel like when your name is googled.
Sorry it might have been Lee or whoever, but now they know personally and can relate that to their bosses, how horrible this real name idea can feel.
The reason Lee was a good target is because he's one more important employees at Blizzard who is still an employee but not a policy maker. Nobody is going to pay attention to the GMs or customer service reps who are pissed. They might pay attention to some of the brains behind WoW though.
ReplyDeleteWhen people are asking this information to be removed from this site, are they forgetting that all the information still exists via the internet; available to anyone who cares to look up their names. I'm guessing as Blizzard employees, those names might not be too difficult to come by. I'm hoping your employer will take better care of your privacy in the future. Besides, removing the website will do nothing, anyone using Archive.org can retrieve the information at any time. It is likely archived elsewhere as well.
ReplyDeleteThe very reason persons want this website taken down are the very reasons the rest of us don't want RealID to be ubiquitous throughout World of Warcraft without our consent at every level of disclosure. That means Opt-In, not Opt-Out or no choice at all. Telling us to simply not use what obviously could be a useful tool for remaining in contact with family, friends and acquaintances. A tool that many other MMOs, games and social gaming utilities (such as Steam and many many others... remember BNetD?) implemented long, long ago, all going to various lengths to respect the privacy of users. At the very least allowing users to reveal as much or as little about themselves as they chose.
We're going to keep running into problems like this until we enshrine privacy as an inalienable right. Many countries have already done so. The U.S.A. is moving in the opposite direction, sadly. Corporations -- given many of the same legal rights as people, but with few responsibilities -- even ones as beloved as Blizzard are only legally responsible to their shareholders, while any responsibility to customers is ad hoc. Blizzard doesn't actually get in trouble if they violate any of the fine statements in their corporate mission: Their stockholders didn't write it and many of them may find them quaint, but would likely without hesitation take legal recourse against Activision/Blizzard if in the course of following the corporate mission cause a serious devaluation of the company. Even if in doing so bought them a great amount of goodwill.
So, until the U.S. and other countries enshrine privacy as an inalienable right of all persons, while at the same time withdrawing the personhood of corporations (who were never meant to be treated as persons: go ahead, look it up), we'll continue to have problems like this, and the many worse that we've grown accustomed to and it hardly seems like it effects us at all.
Until someone dares someone else to look up as much personal information as they can on them and someone else does just that. The three employees personal information here is testament to just how close we came to having one set of privacy rules for Blizzard and another set for the rest of us.
I think it is ridiculous that it took a fucking VIDEOGAME for people to get this upset. Yes, what Blizzard had planned was a step too far, in my opinion.
ReplyDeletePosting the family members of employees? Their friends? phone numbers? The message at the top of the site is that the last thing the blog owner wants is to incite harassment against these people, and just to show how easy it is to gather the documentation. I call bullshit, he knows full well what he's doing, yes, the information is easily acquired, but he's created a hub where everyone can come and pick from a list of targets.
I see comments such as "such is the nature of life, innocent people get caught up in conflict all the time, it is a necessary evil." Again I state, it is a fucking VIDEO GAME. Dont preach like its a goddamn war, it is for your own entertainment, know what most people do when a company does something unsatisfactory? THEY STOP PAYING FOR THEIR PRODUCTS.
Even though Blizzard has backed down for now, the power has reached his head. "Wow, they bent over that quickly? Well why stop there? There are other things 'we' want too."
I am anonymous like everyone else posting in this thread ... why didn't all the people posting to take this down use their Real Name?
ReplyDelete"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteI think it is ridiculous that it took a fucking VIDEOGAME for people to get this upset. Yes, what Blizzard had planned was a step too far, in my opinion.
Posting the family members of employees? Their friends? phone numbers? The message at the top of the site is that the last thing the blog owner wants is to incite harassment against these people, and just to show how easy it is to gather the documentation. I call bullshit, he knows full well what he's doing, yes, the information is easily acquired, but he's created a hub where everyone can come and pick from a list of targets.
I see comments such as "such is the nature of life, innocent people get caught up in conflict all the time, it is a necessary evil." Again I state, it is a fucking VIDEO GAME. Dont preach like its a goddamn war, it is for your own entertainment, know what most people do when a company does something unsatisfactory? THEY STOP PAYING FOR THEIR PRODUCTS.
Even though Blizzard has backed down for now, the power has reached his head. "Wow, they bent over that quickly? Well why stop there? There are other things 'we' want too."
July 11, 2010 1:49 PM"
You should think more before you speak...
Why would anyone get upset over a videogame? I mean no one has kids that play, right? This is the first time that a company has said outright, "Hey! we want to put yours and your kids names out for the whole world to see without your permission"
Unfortunately now the Active ID thing will probably pop up out of nowhere in the EULA during a patch or something similar... They will quietly slip it in under the radar and then your information will be out there anyways...
As far as the post at the top goes... be careful... take it up or leave it... that's your decision as you own the site...
But heed this warning all of you anonymous posters... You aren't really anonymous... lol your IP address can be traced to your ISP then to either your work location, your house, especially if you posted from a cell phone...
So if anything does happen to any of the employees or their family members listed above all who posted here will be suspects... the feds will sieze the logs for the site or forensically recreate them (if they are deleted) and poof none of you are anonymous anymore... then we are all suspects...
The reason people feel safe on the internet is because they go where they "feel in control" the fact of the matter is that the second you visit a site with your cell phone, your computer, or your laptop, you've given up a chunk of personal information.
Cheers,
Danny
{{But heed this warning all of you anonymous posters... You aren't really anonymous... lol your IP address can be traced to your ISP then to either your work location, your house, especially if you posted from a cell phone...}}
ReplyDeleteI don't think anyone cares that the admin of the site has our IP address. That's a certain amount of accountability, and I'd be willing to privately (not publicly) include an email like most blog comments require. Just like with RealID on the forums, the issues are: will it come up when someone googles my real name and possibly cause me to lose my job/be denied a job/be harassed or harmed by some other person who is hounding me (like my abusive ex-husband)? Can any schmuck with internet access get my personal information and stalk/harass/follow me into other forums if they dislike what I post or who I am or my gender/race/preference? THAT has been the point all along.
Thank you for putting this together. Please leave it up until they add an option to turn off seeing friend-of-friend names.
ReplyDeleteBlizz people and fanbois coming here asking to have info removed because "people are being harassed by crazies": you don't like it? Well you know what? NEITHER DO WE.
"but he's created a hub where everyone can come and pick from a list of targets."
ReplyDeleteEveryone can... but the author here isn't inciting that behaviour. He may have made it easier by collating the information into one location, but that wasn't his intention.
I'm sure Blizzard wasn't intending to incite that behaviour when they proposed posting RealIDs, but the fact remains people WILL use it as a hit list.
That is all the author is highlighting here. If saddos want to use the information to send bags of shit or pretty flowers through the post, that is the lamer's action - not the actions of the website owner.
You cannot hold someone accountable for misuse of that information. Responsibility rests with those that (mis)interpret it, not with those that announce it. Shooting the messenger and all that.
Man I'm glad I play on private servers.
ReplyDeleteQuote: "By definition what you're doing here is terrorism. I don't know how you sleep at night."
ReplyDeleteSo let me get see if I understand this...
Blizzard throwing it's customers to the wolves, to be shredded by the WORST the internet has to offer so they can attempt to turn the battle.net into a bastard child of myspace = perfectly fine.
Players saying "fine, you and your families first" and holding the employees of blizzard to the same standard = terrorism.
I don't think so friend. You shoveled it, so we don't want to hear you cry when you have to eat it.
/dismiss
i was banned for life :
ReplyDeleteBan Type Permanent
Ban Reason Posting real-life threats or distributing real-life personal information
* 10420. Re: Battle.net Update: Upcoming Forum Changes 08/07/2010 07:40:24 PDT
Q u o t e:
I reckon through adding their characters beneath their real name?
You can also choose not to show character names. The other nuttrer can chosoe to say he is just using dif account that does not have the character on it and its not combined via bnet to one owner acc. Easy to play impostor same way as now.
RealID fixes nothing. “The truth about Arthas is that Ner’zul didn’t want his former orcish friends to know what char he was on because of Real ID”
About realID:
http://asnowstormbyanyothername.blogspot.com/
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I find it hilarious - they banned me for life just because I posted the flaws in all realID and linked to this site. :/
The forum thing is the tip of the iceberg people. It doesn't take much for someone to see your REAL NAME in-game. You are going to see a lot more people in-game than you are on the forums.
ReplyDeleteThe requirement of RealID is not necessary for the functions they are aiming for. And according to Blizzard's website we are to just "trust them" that measures are in place to prevent some one from doing something malicious with your real name.
Taking this down now would mean accepting conditional surrender, this "at this time" bullshit. Also, this deal where various enhancements will only be available if you opt in for RealID.
ReplyDeleteAnything less than unconditional surrender is unacceptable. I want them to acknowledge that my personal info is not an "asset" of theirs to be sold. I want a privacy policy that is for all time. If they want to go ahead with this I want it to be opt-in (I don't care what happens to fools) with full access to enhancements that really have nothing to do with RealID.
Until then let the ones already sacrificed sway in the breeze. I wouldn't take any of them down, short of the demands above, unless they resign from Blizzard.
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